
Southland Archery Supply
SAS Pioneer 68" Longbow
Substituted for the requested 68-inch Black Hunter: the only Black Hunter longbow verifiably sold in the US is a 60-inch takedown, so the SAS Pioneer fills the budget one-piece 68-inch slot — and it's the bow budget-minded trad forums actually recommend there. The Pioneer pairs a makore and cassia siamea hardwood riser with maple-laminated, fiberglass-faced limbs in a classic American flat-bow profile. At 68 inches it is exceptionally smooth and forgiving, with no meaningful stack at normal draws, making it a favorite first longbow on ArcheryTalk and Trad Talk. Reviewers on Southland's own store rate it 4.7/5 across 18 reviews, and the consistent refrain is 'great quality for the price.' The equally consistent advice: bin the stock endless-loop Dacron string. With a Flemish twist replacement the Pioneer picks up speed, quiets down, and sheds most of its reported hand shock. The shelf is a simple non-center-cut window with a stick-on rug, so expect to spend time on spine and brace tuning, and the fit-and-finish is honest $190 work — visible tool marks and a chunky grip some shooters sand to fit. With 40-55 lb limbs it is genuinely deer-capable, and at this price it's the cheapest legitimate hunting longbow in the class.
Specifications
Highlights
Pros
- ✓Around $190 — half the price of a Southwest Scorpion, a third of a Bear Montana
- ✓68" length draws extremely smoothly with no stack for long-draw shooters
- ✓4.7/5 across 18 visible reviews on Southland's store
- ✓Available up to 65 lb for heavy-bow hunters, and in true left-hand
- ✓Attractive multi-wood riser that outclasses its price point
- ✓Big, deep grip works well for large hands
- ✓Proven deer-killer at 40+ lb per forum accounts
Cons
- ✗Stock endless-loop string is poor — a Flemish upgrade is near-mandatory
- ✗Noticeable hand shock until string and brace height are sorted
- ✗No published warranty from SAS
- ✗Fit-and-finish shows its budget origins (tool marks, thick finish)
- ✗Non-center-cut shelf makes arrow spine tuning fussier
- ✗Not fast-flight rated — Dacron strings only
Owner Insightssummarized from ArcheryTalk, Reddit, and owner reviews
The Pioneer is the answer to a specific question: what's the least money that buys a real, huntable wooden longbow instead of a wall decoration? At around $190 it undercuts everything credible in the class, and the forum verdict — ArcheryTalk, Trad Talk, Tradgang, and the 4.7/5 on Southland's own store — converges on the same phrase: great quality for the price. Not great quality, full stop; great quality for the price. That distinction is the entire Pioneer experience, and buyers who understand it going in are consistently the happy ones.
The out-of-box experience has one famous flaw: the stock endless-loop Dacron string is bad, and the community treats replacing it as part of the purchase price. With a $15 Flemish twist string — a night-and-day difference, per multiple owners — plus a brace height tuned into the low-to-mid 7-inch range and heavy arrows, the Pioneer becomes what the good reviews describe: a smooth, quiet, surprisingly pleasant 68-inch flatbow that draws past 28 inches without stacking. Skip those steps and you get the bad reviews: string ping, hand shock, and noise. The finish shows tool marks, the grip is chunky (sandpaper is a common mod), the shelf isn't cut to center so spine tuning takes patience, and the tips are not Fast Flight rated — Dacron-class material forever. There's no published warranty, which at this price is unsurprising but worth knowing.
Who should buy it: the trad-curious on a strict budget, long-draw shooters who need 68 forgiving inches for cheap, and hunters who want a beater longbow for the truck. With 40-55 lb limbs and heavy arrows it has a genuine forum track record on whitetails, and the 65 lb option serves heavy-bow devotees no other budget maker bothers with. The Southwest Scorpion is the obvious $90 step up — cleaner build, Fast Flight-rated tips, actual warranty — and the Bear Montana the $340 leap for reflex speed and a famous name. But as the cheapest ticket into real longbow archery, the Pioneer plus a decent string is the deal the trad forums keep recommending, because nothing else at the price is worth stringing.
What owners like
- +Around $190 — half a Southwest Scorpion, a third of a Bear Montana, and the cheapest legitimate hunting longbow in the class
- +The 68-inch flat-bow profile is exceptionally smooth; Trad Talk posters note it stacks gently at the end rather than hitting a wall
- +'Great quality for the price' is the near-universal refrain across ArcheryTalk, Tradgang, and the SAS store's 4.7/5 reviews
- +Available up to 65 lb, which almost no budget longbow offers, plus true left-hand versions
- +The makore and cassia siamea riser looks well above its price point
- +A $15 Flemish string swap transforms it — owners describe the difference as night and day
- +Big, deep grip suits large hands well
- +Proven deer-killer at 40-plus pounds per forum accounts — this is a real hunting bow, not a toy
Common complaints
- −The stock endless-loop Dacron string is the bow's one glaring flaw — source of most speed, noise, and hand-shock complaints, and replacing it is treated as mandatory
- −Noticeable hand shock until the string and brace height are sorted; a few owners report real pounding with light arrows
- −Fit-and-finish is honest $190 work: visible tool marks, thick finish, and a chunky grip some shooters sand down
- −No published manufacturer warranty — you're relying on retailer return windows
- −Not Fast Flight rated, so you're in Dacron-class strings permanently
- −Non-center-cut shelf makes arrow spine tuning fussier than a recurve
- −Quality control is a bit of a lottery — most bows arrive fine, but the occasional dud shows up in forum reports
Common Questions
Do I really need to replace the stock string?
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How much hand shock does it have?
Is it Fast Flight compatible?
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